Legislature(2003 - 2004)

01/20/2004 02:00 PM Senate TRA

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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
                         JOINT MEETING                                                                                        
            SENATE TRANSPORTATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                          
            HOUSE TRANSPORTATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                           
                        January 20, 2004                                                                                        
                           2:00 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
TAPE(S) 04-1 [SENATE TAPE]                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                              
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator John Cowdery, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Thomas Wagoner, Co-Chair                                                                                                
Senator Gene Therriault                                                                                                         
Senator Georgianna Lincoln                                                                                                      
Senator Donny Olson                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative Jim Holm, Chair                                                                                                  
Representative Vic Kohring                                                                                                      
Representative Beverly Masek                                                                                                    
Representative Dan Ogg                                                                                                          
Representative Nick Stepovich                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Mary Kapsner                                                                                                     
Representative Albert Kookesh                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyda Green                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
OVERVIEW OF KNIK ARM BRIDGE AND TOLL AUTHORITY                                                                                  
                                                                                                                              
CO-CHAIR JOHN  COWDERY convened the  Joint meeting of  the Senate                                                             
and  House  Transportation  Standing   Committees  at  2:00  p.m.                                                               
Present were  Senators Wagoner,  Therriault, Lincoln,  Olson, and                                                               
Co-Chair  Cowdery   and  Representatives  Kohring,   Masek,  Ogg,                                                               
Stepovich,  and Chair  Holm.   Also  present  was Senator  Green.                                                               
[Senator Therriault and Representative  Kohring arrived while the                                                               
meeting was in progress.]                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY OF INFORMATION                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
GEORGE P.  WUERCH, Chairman, Knik  Arm Bridge and  Toll Authority                                                               
(KABATA), gave a PowerPoint presentation  entitled, "The New Knik                                                               
Arm Bridge Project."  He  told the committee that KABATA's seven-                                                               
member  board   is  comprised  of  himself   [George  Wuerch]  as                                                               
Chairman, Vice Chairman Darcie Salmon,  Dave Haugen, Senator Lyda                                                               
Green,  Representative Bill  Stoltze,  Commissioner Bill  Corbus,                                                               
and Commissioner Mike Barton; the  board has hired Henry Springer                                                               
as the Executive Director.   Mr. Wuerch addressed the "who, what,                                                               
where, and when" of KABATA,  and offered a historical perspective                                                               
- from 1955  to the present.    He noted that  although there are                                                               
many toll  authorities in the Lower  48, this would be  the first                                                               
one in  Alaska.  He explained  that the project bridges  the Knik                                                               
Arm by connecting the Port  of Anchorage to the Matanuska-Susitna                                                               
Borough's  Port MacKenzie;  it uses  existing roads  and will  be                                                               
railroad compatible.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  COWDERY  questioned  whether railroad  tolls  would  be                                                               
charged.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. WUERCH replied  that this might be possible.   In response to                                                               
a comment  from Co-Chair  Cowdery, he  explained that  because of                                                               
the  [U.S.]  Air  Force's  concern,  and  because  of  cost,  the                                                               
bridge's elevation would be kept low.   In response to a question                                                               
from Representative Stepovich,  he said the length  of the bridge                                                               
would be about  2.3 miles; however the section  on supports would                                                               
be about 7,000 feet.  He  said the [U.S. Army] Corps of Engineers                                                               
(USACE)  at the  world-renown Waterways  Experimental Station  in                                                               
Vicksburg,  Mississippi,   has  been  consulted  and   has  built                                                               
tabletop models for the project.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LINCOLN  asked if other  options for the location  of the                                                               
bridge have been considered.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. WUERCH responded that alternatives  were being considered and                                                               
that this location had not been finalized.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WAGONER  asked  if  consideration  had  been  given  to                                                               
experimenting with tide-generated hydroelectric power.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. WUERCH responded  that there were problems  from the sediment                                                               
load  from three  glacial rivers,  and  that further  exploration                                                               
would be taken up by the engineers.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. WUERCH  summarized that construction  would take  about three                                                               
years,  design  would take  about  one  year, "permitting  -  who                                                               
knows" and funding  was from the TEA-21.  He  said there is about                                                               
$5 million  dollars on  the table  in the  Omnibus Appropriations                                                               
Bill,  and  also mentioned  that  as  a public  corporation,  the                                                               
authority  can sell  revenue bonds.   In  response to  a question                                                               
from  Co-Chair Cowdery,  he  said  KABATA would  try  to use  the                                                               
existing  [Draft] EIS  and that  the estimated  cost ranged  from                                                               
$400 million  on the low  end to a  probable $800 million  at the                                                               
high end.   He said that a request will  be submitted to Congress                                                               
for $100  million per  year for  six years  and that  KABATA will                                                               
probably  have to  come up  with a  match of  $54 million  - nine                                                               
percent -  which is do-able because  of the toll capability.   He                                                               
noted  that because  building will  be  done on  state land,  the                                                               
state will get credit for donating the right-of-way.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. WUERCH mentioned design constraints  such as river, tide, ice                                                               
flows   and   seismic.     He   also   spoke   to   environmental                                                               
considerations involved with the project.   He told the committee                                                               
that  the goal  was  to  build this  project  without asking  for                                                               
general fund monies,  and to have the toll pay  for the operation                                                               
and maintenance (O&M)  costs; the O&M cost is  about $1.5 million                                                               
per year.   He said that the military struggles  for space in the                                                               
port of Anchorage  and that the bridge's  immediate benefit would                                                               
be to reduce  the convoy's estimated two-hours of  travel time to                                                               
get to  the other side, by  connecting two ports that  are within                                                               
convenient driving distance from each other.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  LINCOLN asked  about selling  land for  development, and                                                               
questioned future growth that is envisioned for the area.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
DARCIE SALMON,  Vice Chairman, KABATA,  answered that  this would                                                               
allow Anchorage to have two ways  out and would allow the city to                                                               
grow and prosper.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. WUERCH responded to further  questions from committee members                                                               
regarding engineering concerns, land  development, and the use of                                                               
automatic scanners by  toll authorities.  In  conclusion, he said                                                               
that the presentation would be  available to any organization and                                                               
that  additional  information  was   available  on  the  website,                                                               
www.knikarmbridge.com.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  COWDERY stated  that consideration  was being  given to                                                               
holding a hearing on this project in Anchorage.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                              
There being  no further  business to  come before  the committee,                                                               
the Joint  House and  Senate Transportation  Committees adjourned                                                               
at 2:52 p.m.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NOTE:   The meeting was  recorded and handwritten log  notes were                                                               
taken.  A  copy of the tape(s)  and log notes may  be obtained by                                                               
contacting the  Senate Records Office  at State Capitol,  Room 3,                                                               
Juneau,  Alaska  99801  (mailing address),  (907)  465-2870,  and                                                               
after adjournment of the second  session of the 23rd Alaska State                                                               
Legislature, this  information may be obtained  by contacting the                                                               
Legislative Reference Library at (907) 465-3808.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

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